loyal to assad regime. they were allowed to go free after a firefight between captures and rebel forces. it's the dangers of this work. >> it's getting ever more dangerous, with each passing year we have lost 28 journalists in syria this year which rivals the worst, but the story has to be told. we are criticized if we don't tell the story and criticized reckless if we do. if write an editor as richard's story shows, i would not let a reporter go inside at this moment. >> jon: i know you were friend of the early reporters? >> very brave, pioneering reporter and her loss is felt to this day. >> these are the real journalists, who are risking their lives to tell the story. you got at npr who is fearless and edie who is one of the first female journalists in vietnam they deliver the real news. >> at a price that is just becoming too high. if you are responsible for these eports -- peerdz. >> there is a lot of volunteering on it? >> looking back on it. i don't think it's great to do. many journalists, if richard engel, one of the most experienced reporters in the field, its cautionary tale.